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  1. #1
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    Jul 2009

    Default AMA Superbike vs. World Superbike at MMP 05/28/2012

    Last year we combined the QP2 times from World Superbike with the Qualifying times from AMA Superbike, to see how America’s finest motorcycle racers stack up on against the international championship of a similar name. Of course there are different regulations in each series (not to mention a variety of other factors), which vary a bit on how teams are allowed to modify their race bikes, so there isn’t an exact comparison between the two series, but it makes for something interesting to mull over with your morning coffee, and the results this year may surprise you.

    Before we dive into it, there are some notes on the table below, namely the use of WSBK’s QP2 times instead of those from Superpole. The biggest reasons for this is because the two sessions were on the same day, and roughly during the same time period, which with Miller’s variable weather this year was important to give a more accurate representation of things (we used the same sessions in last year’s article as well).
    Looking at the results from last year, what is immediately obvious is that World Superbike is actually lapping a fraction slower than last year’s pace at the American round (a couple tenths of a second difference). Meanwhile, the pace in AMA Superbike is notably faster, which is evident by the number of AMA riders mixed in with the WSBK competitors. This contrasts nicely to last year’s results where, sans a few outliers, the mixed times could easily be drawn into two groups, on a purely series-related basis.

    Once again, Josh Hayes is the fastest AMA rider in our analysis, but this time Josh slots in 12th with the WSBK pack, whereas last year he was 19th. Also showing the heightened pace in AMA Superbike, Blake Young makes a modest step up, but the inclusion of riders like Geoff May, Danny Eslick, and Roger Lee Hayden in the higher spots of the mixed grid show that its not just one or two riders stepping up the pace, but the AMA’s top teams overall.
    With a couple AMA regulars wildcarding in the WSBK race (Jake Holden & Shane Turpin), some calibration can be made on our understanding of the differences between racing in the AMA and racing in World Superbike. We will let you argue that in the comments, but of note, only four of the AMA Superbike riders would have been cut by the FIM’s 107% qualification rule, meaning

    all the riders here are pretty damn fast.
    Combined Results from AMA Superbike’s Qualifying Session and World Superbike’s Qualifying Practice 2 – Sunday May 27th, 2012

    Pos. Rider Team Bike Time Diff.
    1 Jakub Smrz Liberty Racing Team Effenbert Ducati 1098R 1’48.517 -
    2 Carlos Checa Althea Racing Ducati 1098R 1’48.789 0.272
    3 Marco Melandri BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1’49.009 0.492
    4 Sylvain Guintoli Team Effenbert Liberty Racing Ducati 1098R 1’49.079 0.562
    5 Eugene Laverty Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1’49.175 0.658
    6 Jonathan Rea Honda World Superbike Team Honda CBR1000RR 1’49.243 0.726
    7 John Hopkins FIXI Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’49.531 1.014
    8 Max Biaggi Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1’49.584 1.067
    9 Leon Haslam BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1’49.634 1.117
    10 Tom Sykes Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1’49.636 1.119
    11 Michel Fabrizio BMW Motorrad Italia GoldBet BMW S1000 RR 1’49.654 1.137
    12 Josh Hayes Monster Energy Graves Yamaha Yamaha R1 1’49.729 1.212
    13 Chaz Davies ParkinGO MTC Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1’49.968 1.451
    14 Maxime Berger Team Effenbert Liberty Racing Ducati 1098R 1’49.980 1.463
    15 Lorenzo Zanetti PATA Racing Team Ducati 1098R 1’50.014 1.497
    16 Niccoló Canepa Red Devils Roma Ducati 1098R 1’50.031 1.514
    17 Blake Young Yoshimura Racing Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’50.141 1.624
    18 Geoff May Team Amsoil/Hero EBR 1190RS 1’50.219 1.702
    19 Davide Giugliano Althea Racing Ducati 1098R 1’50.280 1.763
    20 Danny Eslick Team Hero EBR 1190RS 1’50.355 1.838
    21 Roger Hayden National Guard Jordan Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’50.358 1.841
    22 Loris Baz Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1’50.424 1.907
    23 Ayrton Badovini BMW Motorrad Italia GoldBet BMW S1000 RR 1’50.427 1.910
    24 David Salom Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1’50.504 1.987
    25 Ben Bostrom Jordan Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’50.511 1.994
    26 Leon Camier FIXI Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’50.520 2.003
    27 Josh Herrin Monster Energy Graves Yamaha Yamaha R1 1’50.676 2.159
    28 Hiroshi Aoyama Honda World Superbike Team Honda CBR1000RR 1’50.963 2.446
    29 Chris Clark Yoshimura Racing Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’51.177 2.660
    30 Larry Pegram Foremost Insurance/Pegram Racing BMW S1000RR 1’51.547 3.030
    31 Steve Rapp Attack Performance Kawasaki ZX-10 1’51.796 3.279
    32 Leandro Mercado Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1’51.843 3.326
    33 David Anthony Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’51.996 3.479
    34 Jake Holden Grillini Progea Superbike Team BMW S1000 RR 1’52.108 3.591
    35 Robertino Pietri Team Venezuela Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’52.290 3.773
    36 Taylor Knapp BMW BMW S1000RR 1’52.565 4.048
    37 Chris Fillmore KTM/HMC Racing KTM RC8R 1’52.587 4.070
    38 Chris Ulrich M4 Lucas Oil Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’53.397 4.880
    39 Shane Turpin Boulder Motor Sports Ducati 1098R 1’54.399 5.882
    40 Jordan Burgess Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’55.174 6.657
    World Superbike 107% Qualifying Cut Off
    41 Reno Karimian Team Air Kawasaki ZX-10 1’56.743 8.226
    42 Trent Gibson Seven Sports Suzuki GSX-R1000 1’57.116 8.599
    43 Chris Siglin FastLine… BMW S1000RR 1’57.421 8.904
    44 Tony Porter EDR Kawasaki ZX-10 2’00.372 11.855
    08 Honda CBR 1000RR
    05 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
    99 Honda Civic SI (stolen)

  2. #2
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    Jul 2009

    Default WSBK vs. AMA SBK lap times in Utah

    The best time in WSBK was by Carlos Checa with a 1:48.8xx. The best time in AMA was by Josh Hayes with a 1:49.4xx. So 0.6 difference.
    08 Honda CBR 1000RR
    05 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
    99 Honda Civic SI (stolen)

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    Jun 2011


    Geoff May and Danny Eslick placed 18th and 20th on first year development bikes for EBR (Eric Buell Racing). It's cool to see a couple American made bikes in there. Those two bikes don't even have the fancy wheelie control electronics on them. You can buy that bike for $40,000 here:
    2007 Buell Ulysses
    K&N Filter, Iridium spark plugs, custom spark plug wires, Mobile 1 v-twin synthetic, data logged and tuned, handlebar risers
    custom foot-pegs, heated grips, HID headlights, breather reroute with catch-can

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